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DevCentral > Weblogs > Persistently Different - Not right, just different.
 /TAG: Close of Tagging
posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:48 PM

Now that Lori has made my point - that people can't be trusted to correctly tag - we can move on to the other issues with all metadata.

Metadata is never a constant, and that is a problem for non-automated systems (and even automated systems). What tags you apply changes over time, and the list of tags grows - no matter what you do to curb tag explosion. And you have to have systems that use tagging in a coordinated way. Inevitably, some large company will claim "market differentiation" by creating their own special tagging scheme that starts every tag with "ms-". Then what?

That doesn't even touch on the data space required to store tag relationships. Want a wonderful world where all synonyms and translations of a word are utilized and correlated correctly? Yeah, that's maintenance nightmare compounded by an infinite and growing storage problem.

Google Ads are proof that the technology isn't there yet. Check any forum about this topic, and you'll find people with completely inappropriate ads being posted to their forum or blog because one post had one similar-use word in it... Because the technology isn't there.

So when they sell you on "Tag Clouds" and a unified world where your searches have more meaning, view it with a grain of salt. We have to get there eventually, but today is not someday, today is another day that they tell you "to get to Nirvana you must first tag 1000 documents".

Don't bite. Let the systems figure it out, then we can all complain about how inefficient the systems are - even though they'll be much better than people because a purpose-built system doesn't have anything better to do.

The point of my post was simple - people are not Tag Generation Engines. They're not even a very efficient stop-gap. And we don't yet have a qualified set of requirements for what should be done, just a drive that it must be. Run your IT shop with common sense, there's a lot more that needs doing that is important, so go do it. Save tagging for the aggregators, or better yet for the as-yet-uninvented Automagical Tagging Engine.

And Lori's analysis doesn't change that.

Don.


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8/30/2007 2:49 PM
Gravatar Oh Don!!

Your post is malformed. You did not properly close the tag. :-)

You said, "Check any forum about this topic, and you'll find people with completely inappropriate ads being posted to their forum or blog because one post had one similar-use word in it."

This is the point of semantics. Context. If we properly tagged - either through an automated system or manually - and stopped relying on willy-nilly word-based tagging that does not take into consideration the context of the content, this would not be such a big deal.

Google Ads is a horrible example, because it's doing the very thing we don't want - keying off of individual words. Because that's the best of what's available today, but Web 3.0 promises to change that.

Lori
Lori MacVittie

8/30/2007 2:57 PM
Gravatar That's the point of the whole post though... Properly tag HOW? What system or process will ensure that our tagging is even 80% accurate and will remain so tomorrow? And guarantees that the tags can be used by even 50% of the software out there?

None. Until there is, tagging is an exercise in futility. If the system is going to be automated, then our tag stores are doomed to irrelevance.

And Google Ads is the best we have today.

/Just saying.

</tag> Better? ;-)

Don.
Don

8/30/2007 2:59 PM
Gravatar I think it's time we step outside and discuss this. :-)

Just to be me (and so I have something to argue about that I know I'll win) the tag is *still* incorrect. XML is case sensitive, dear. :-)

Lori
Lori MacVittie

8/30/2007 3:12 PM
Gravatar Uhhmmm... Sorry folks, it seems I'm done with this topic... Time to really close the tag... As if it was a valid tag to begin with (I am SO in trouble).

</You're It>

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