Another one for you all. The TCP Profile Zero Window Timeout setting description states "If the Zero Window Timeout timer elapses, the BIG-IP system terminates the connection." Does this mean a RST is sent or will this depend on the 'Reset on Timeout' setting?

Hi Steve, Sorry I can't answer this already. I suggest opening a support case to find out. Thanks, Aaron

Once the F5 receives the tcp zero window, F5 starts the counter. The default zero windows timeout is 20 secs (20000 ms). F5 will send TCP KeepAlive segments to checking whether the tcp state has been changed. If F5 keep receiving ACKs with ZeroWindow for the TCP KeepAlives, The F5 counter won't be reset. Once it reaches the ZeroWindow timeout, F5 will send TCP RST to client side and server side, and clear the connection entry. Regards, Gladius

Hey Gladius, many thanks. Always nice to here from someone else UK based too. Did you test this?

You are welcome. Yes, I tested it. Client - 10.21.67.6 F5 - 10.21.56.71 ZeroWindow timeout - 60 secs No. Time Source Src port Eth.Src Destination Dst.port Eth.DST Protocol Length Info VLAN 70 2014-08-12 17:17:13.319817 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 TCP 177 OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP segment of a reassembled PDU] 365 71 2014-08-12 17:17:13.320197 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 TCP 176 IN s1/tmm1 : [TCP ZeroWindow] 53552 > https [ACK] Seq=169018229 Ack=3080701905 Win=0 Len=0 TSval=1645741606 TSecr=3405652008 365 1592 2014-08-12 17:17:21.319852 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 TCP 177 OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP Keep-Alive] https > 53552 [ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018229 Win=65535 Len=1 TSval=3405660008 TSecr=1645741606 365 1593 2014-08-12 17:17:21.320186 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 TCP 176 IN s1/tmm1 : [TCP ZeroWindow] 53552 > https [ACK] Seq=169018229 Ack=3080701905 Win=0 Len=0 TSval=1645749606 TSecr=3405660008 365 11936 2014-08-12 17:17:37.320387 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 TCP 177 OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP Keep-Alive] https > 53552 [ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018229 Win=65535 Len=1 TSval=3405676008 TSecr=1645749606 365 11937 2014-08-12 17:17:37.320820 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 TCP 176 IN s1/tmm1 : [TCP ZeroWindow] 53552 > https [ACK] Seq=169018229 Ack=3080701905 Win=0 Len=0 TSval=1645765607 TSecr=3405676008 365 20939 2014-08-12 17:17:58.400352 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 SSLv3 199 IN s1/tmm1 : [TCP ZeroWindow] Encrypted Alert 365 20940 2014-08-12 17:17:58.400373 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 TCP 176 OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP Keep-Alive] https > 53552 [ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018252 Win=65535 Len=0 TSval=3405697088 TSecr=1645786686 365 20942 2014-08-12 17:17:58.400417 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 TCP 176 OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP Keep-Alive] https > 53552 [ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018253 Win=65535 Len=0 TSval=3405697088 TSecr=1645786686 365 25132 2014-08-12 17:18:05.296199 10.21.56.71 443 00:23:e9:87:c9:83 10.21.67.6 53552 00:22:19:65:0a:88 TCP 211 https > 53552 [RST, ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018253 Win=65535 Len=0 [F5RST(peer): Flow expired (sweeper) (idle timeout)] 365

Thanks, I forgot to ask, do you have Reset on Timeout enabled in the profile please? Feel free to connect on Linkedin if you're on.

TCP Profile > Zero Window Timeout

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hooleylist
Cirrostratus
Jan 02, 2013
Hi Steve,

Sorry I can't answer this already. I suggest opening a support case to find out.

Thanks, Aaron
Gladius_116564
Historic F5 Account
Aug 15, 2014
Once the F5 receives the tcp zero window, F5 starts the counter. The default zero windows timeout is 20 secs (20000 ms).

F5 will send TCP KeepAlive segments to checking whether the tcp state has been changed.

If F5 keep receiving ACKs with ZeroWindow for the TCP KeepAlives, The F5 counter won't be reset.

Once it reaches the ZeroWindow timeout, F5 will send TCP RST to client side and server side, and clear the connection entry.

Regards, Gladius
What_Lies_Bene1
Cirrostratus
Aug 15, 2014
Hey Gladius, many thanks. Always nice to here from someone else UK based too.

Did you test this?

Gladius_116564

Historic F5 Account

Aug 15, 2014

You are welcome. Yes, I tested it.

Client - 10.21.67.6

F5 - 10.21.56.71

ZeroWindow timeout - 60 secs

No.     Time                       Source                Src port Eth.Src               Destination           Dst.port Eth.DST               Protocol Length Info                                                            VLAN
     70 2014-08-12 17:17:13.319817 10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     TCP      177    OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP segment of a reassembled PDU]                365
     71 2014-08-12 17:17:13.320197 10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     TCP      176    IN  s1/tmm1 : [TCP ZeroWindow] 53552 > https [ACK] Seq=169018229 Ack=3080701905 Win=0 Len=0 TSval=1645741606 TSecr=3405652008 365
   1592 2014-08-12 17:17:21.319852 10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     TCP      177    OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP Keep-Alive] https > 53552 [ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018229 Win=65535 Len=1 TSval=3405660008 TSecr=1645741606 365
   1593 2014-08-12 17:17:21.320186 10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     TCP      176    IN  s1/tmm1 : [TCP ZeroWindow] 53552 > https [ACK] Seq=169018229 Ack=3080701905 Win=0 Len=0 TSval=1645749606 TSecr=3405660008 365
  11936 2014-08-12 17:17:37.320387 10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     TCP      177    OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP Keep-Alive] https > 53552 [ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018229 Win=65535 Len=1 TSval=3405676008 TSecr=1645749606 365
  11937 2014-08-12 17:17:37.320820 10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     TCP      176    IN  s1/tmm1 : [TCP ZeroWindow] 53552 > https [ACK] Seq=169018229 Ack=3080701905 Win=0 Len=0 TSval=1645765607 TSecr=3405676008 365
  20939 2014-08-12 17:17:58.400352 10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     SSLv3    199    IN  s1/tmm1 : [TCP ZeroWindow] Encrypted Alert                  365
  20940 2014-08-12 17:17:58.400373 10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     TCP      176    OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP Keep-Alive] https > 53552 [ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018252 Win=65535 Len=0 TSval=3405697088 TSecr=1645786686 365
  20942 2014-08-12 17:17:58.400417 10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     TCP      176    OUT s1/tmm1 : [TCP Keep-Alive] https > 53552 [ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018253 Win=65535 Len=0 TSval=3405697088 TSecr=1645786686 365
  25132 2014-08-12 17:18:05.296199 10.21.56.71           443      00:23:e9:87:c9:83     10.21.67.6            53552    00:22:19:65:0a:88     TCP      211    https > 53552 [RST, ACK] Seq=3080701905 Ack=169018253 Win=65535 Len=0 [F5RST(peer): Flow expired (sweeper) (idle timeout)] 365

What_Lies_Bene1
Cirrostratus
Aug 15, 2014
Thanks, I forgot to ask, do you have Reset on Timeout enabled in the profile please? Feel free to connect on Linkedin if you're on.

Gladius_116564
Historic F5 Account
Aug 15, 2014
Yes, If you are talking about "idle timeout". F5 will send reset, if the client and server is not sending any data and keeping idle. That is different from Zero Window timeout.

Further more, please be carefull increasing the ZeroWindow timeout, since F5 has to hold the data in the memory. Multiple concurrent open tcp zerowindow connections can fill the F5 buffer.

Sorry about tcpdump output, I don't know, how to format text in DevCentral or add you in LinkedIn.

Regards, Gladius
- What_Lies_Bene1
  Cirrostratus
  Aug 15, 2014
  Thanks Gladius, so its your belief that the Reset on Timeout setting only relates to the Idle Timeout, not the Zero Window Timeout. Hence, the sending of a RST on Zero Window timeout cannot be controlled? Yeah, the formatting can be problematic, in your case, paste the text in, select it all and then hit the fourth button from the right in the toolbar, the square with the grey vertical bar on its left and some blue and grey 'text'. http://uk.linkedin.com/in/steveniveson/
- Gladius_116564
  Historic F5 Account
  Aug 15, 2014
  Hi Steve, I am sorry, I didn't get your question properly. I didn't test it without "Reset on timeout", I can confirm that F5 sends a reset after zero window timeout with "Reset on timeout". I will try to test without "Reset on timeout" and update you.
nitass
Employee
Aug 15, 2014
Hence, the sending of a RST on Zero Window timeout cannot be controlled?

you do not want to have reset when zero window timeout is reached, do you?

if so, is setting it to indefinite (4294967295 ms) usable?

root@(ve11a)(cfg-sync In Sync)(Standby)(/Common)(tmos) list ltm profile tcp mytcp ltm profile tcp mytcp { app-service none defaults-from tcp zero-window-timeout 4294967295 }
- Gladius_116564
  Historic F5 Account
  Aug 15, 2014
  Nitass, I wouldn't recommend this, since F5 has to keep the tcp payload in it's butter that it might have received from the server. Multiple concurrent open tcp zerowindow connections can fill the F5 buffer. I would say that it is not normal that a client can be in ZeroWindow state for more than 20 secs.
- nitass
  Employee
  Aug 16, 2014
  thanks Gladius. understood.
nitass_89166
Noctilucent
Aug 15, 2014
Hence, the sending of a RST on Zero Window timeout cannot be controlled?

you do not want to have reset when zero window timeout is reached, do you?

if so, is setting it to indefinite (4294967295 ms) usable?

root@(ve11a)(cfg-sync In Sync)(Standby)(/Common)(tmos) list ltm profile tcp mytcp ltm profile tcp mytcp { app-service none defaults-from tcp zero-window-timeout 4294967295 }
- Gladius_116564
  Historic F5 Account
  Aug 15, 2014
  Nitass, I wouldn't recommend this, since F5 has to keep the tcp payload in it's butter that it might have received from the server. Multiple concurrent open tcp zerowindow connections can fill the F5 buffer. I would say that it is not normal that a client can be in ZeroWindow state for more than 20 secs.
- nitass_89166
  Noctilucent
  Aug 16, 2014
  thanks Gladius. understood.
What_Lies_Bene1
Cirrostratus
Aug 15, 2014
Thanks Nitass. I've no need to actually do this, just wanted to know if the Reset on Timeout setting applied.

If I did need to however, this would make sense.

Cheers
nitass
Employee
Aug 16, 2014
I didn't test it without "Reset on timeout", I can confirm that F5 sends a reset after zero window timeout with "Reset on timeout". I will try to test without "Reset on timeout"

yes, we does reset even reset-on-timeout is disabled.

nitass_89166

Noctilucent

Aug 16, 2014

e.g.

 config

root@(ve11a)(cfg-sync In Sync)(Active)(/Common)(tmos) list ltm virtual bar
ltm virtual bar {
    destination 172.28.24.10:80
    ip-protocol tcp
    mask 255.255.255.255
    pool foo
    profiles {
        mytcp { }
    }
    source 0.0.0.0/0
    source-address-translation {
        type automap
    }
    vs-index 63
}
root@(ve11a)(cfg-sync In Sync)(Active)(/Common)(tmos) list ltm pool foo
ltm pool foo {
    members {
        200.200.200.101:80 {
            address 200.200.200.101
        }
    }
}
root@(ve11a)(cfg-sync In Sync)(Active)(/Common)(tmos) list ltm profile tcp mytcp
ltm profile tcp mytcp {
    app-service none
    defaults-from tcp
    reset-on-timeout disabled
    zero-window-timeout 1000
}

 trace

...snipped...

03:17:33.167785 IP 200.200.200.14.54494 > 200.200.200.101.80: . ack 8202039 win 0  out slot1/tmm0 lis=/Common/bar flowtype=128 flowid=5700010E3000 peerid=5700010E4A00 conflags=8124 inslot=63 inport=55 haunit=1 priority=0 peerremote=00000000:00000000:0000FFFF:AC1C1801 peerlocal=00000000:00000000:0000FFFF:AC1C180A remoteport=54494 localport=80 proto=6 vlan=4093

03:17:35.000161 IP 200.200.200.14.54494 > 200.200.200.101.80: R 163:218(55) ack 8202039 win 0 out slot1/tmm0 lis=/Common/bar flowtype=128 flowid=5700010E3000 peerid=5700010E4A00 conflags=808124 inslot=63 inport=55 haunit=1 priority=0 rst_cause="[0x1a06ef2:8794] {peer} TCP zero window timeout" peerremote=00000000:00000000:0000FFFF:AC1C1801 peerlocal=00000000:00000000:0000FFFF:AC1C180A remoteport=54494 localport=80 proto=6 vlan=4093

03:17:35.000188 IP 172.28.24.10.80 > 172.28.24.1.54494: R 8164016:8164064(48) ack 163 win 4542 out slot1/tmm0 lis=/Common/bar flowtype=64 flowid=5700010E4A00 peerid=0 conflags=808124 inslot=63 inport=55 haunit=1 priority=0 rst_cause="[0x1a06ef2:8794] TCP zero window timeout" peerremote=00000000:00000000:00000000:00000000 peerlocal=00000000:00000000:00000000:00000000 remoteport=0 localport=0 proto=0 vlan=0

What_Lies_Bene1
Cirrostratus
Aug 16, 2014
Awesome, many thanks once again.
Gerlan_32355
Altostratus
Sep 11, 2014
Hi All! Could I set this parameter using iRule? I want to try write something like this, but not work: when HTTP_REQUEST { set uri [HTTP::uri] if {([string tolower [HTTP::uri]] contains "/app3") } { PROFILE::tcp zero_window_Timeout 200000 pool pool-test-80}} Because I dont want enable this to the others applications. Could someone help? Thanks

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