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bluestar007_339
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Nov 14, 2017

cipher suite -adding and removing

Hi, The below statement are really confusing . Does it mean even listing will remove the cipher suite from the machine ?

 

For example, to remove a cipher from the cipher list, even if it is explicitly stated later in the cipher string, use the following syntax:

 

tmm --clientciphers 'DEFAULT:!RSA'

 

For example, to remove the cipher from the cipher list, but add it back to the cipher list if later options allow, use the following syntax:

 

tmm --clientciphers DEFAULT:-RSA

 

https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K15194

 

Thanks

 

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  • Kevin_K_51432's avatar
    Kevin_K_51432
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    Nov 14, 2017

    Greetings,

    I hope this makes sense, here goes:

    If you use this syntax, all of the ciphers using RSA KEYX will be removed from the cipher list.

    tmm --clientciphers 'DEFAULT:!RSA'

    Let say, you'd like to include this cipher for some reason, but only this one:

    DES-CBC3-SHA

    If you used the ! filter, you would be unable to add that cipher only back:

    tmm --clientciphers 'DEFAULT:!RSA:DES-CBC3-SHA' | grep ' DES-CBC3-SHA'

    So using the - filter, allows you to add only that cipher back, but keep the others filtered out:

    tmm --clientciphers 'DEFAULT:-RSA:DES-CBC3-SHA' | grep ' DES-CBC3-SHA'
48:    10  DES-CBC3-SHA                     168  TLS1    Native  DES       SHA     RSA
49:    10  DES-CBC3-SHA                     168  TLS1.1  Native  DES       SHA     RSA
50:    10  DES-CBC3-SHA                     168  TLS1.2  Native  DES       SHA     RSA
51:    10  DES-CBC3-SHA                     168  DTLS1   Native  DES       SHA     RSA
52:    10  DES-CBC3-SHA                     168  SSL3    Native  DES       SHA     RSA

    Hope this is helpful!

    Kevin
    • bluestar007_339's avatar
      bluestar007_339
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      Nov 14, 2017

      Hi, Thanks for the reply .

       

      You said "If you used the ! filter, you would be unable to add that cipher only back:"

       

      Here is where I am confused . What you mean by unable to add that cipher only back.

       

      What I understood from other threads , If I use "tmm --clientciphers 'DEFAULT:!RSA'" ,It just print the DEFAULT list and filter RSA ,It does not remove it from the BOX .That means we can add it later

       

      Thanks

       

    • Kevin_K_51432's avatar
      Kevin_K_51432
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      Nov 14, 2017

      Greetings,

       

      You are correct, it doesn't remove the cipher from the BIG-IP system. Typically, when building filters in this manner, the admin is attempting to build a cipher string for use in the client or server SSL profile. So you could have multiple different virtual servers that reference different SSL profiles, allowing a different set of ciphers for clients to negotiate.

       

      See 'Ciphers' in this article for more detail:

       

      https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K14783

       

      Hope this is helpful!

       

      Kevin

       

    • bluestar007_339's avatar
      bluestar007_339
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      Nov 14, 2017
      Hi,

ltm profile client-ssl test {
app-service none
cert digicert.crt
cert-key-chain {
    digicert {
        cert digicert.crt
        chain gdigicertchain.crt
        key digicert.key
    }
}
chain gdigicertchain.crt
defaults-from clientssl
inherit-certkeychain false
key digicert.key
passphrase none

      }

      1. If I have client profile like above ,which is inheriting from the cientssl profile (client ssl profile uses ciphers DEFAULT")

      Now I decided to alter the DEFAULT for profile 'test',Just to remove 'DES-CBC3-SHA' ,the below profile will work ? 

      ltm profile client-ssl test {
app-service none
cert digicert.crt
cert-key-chain {
    digicert {
        cert digicert.crt
        chain gdigicertchain.crt
        key digicert.key
    }
}
chain gdigicertchain.crt
**ciphers 'DEFAULT:!RSA:DES-CBC3-SHA'** 

defaults-from clientssl
inherit-certkeychain false
key digicert.key
passphrase none

      }

      2.Let's say I used ' ciphers 'DEFAULT:!RSA' and later on decided to bring all RSA back , reverting the string from 'DEFAULT:!RSA' to 'ciphers 'DEFAULT' will help

      Thanks